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:I'm adding Ryan's post from the mailing list thread so that we don't lose the discussion [[User:Skm|Skm]] ([[User talk:Skm|talk]]) 12:19, 18 June 2015 (CDT)

:I'm adding Ryan's post from the mailing list thread so that we don't lose the discussion [[User:Skm|Skm]] ([[User talk:Skm|talk]]) 12:19, 18 June 2015 (CDT)

:: ''This would need a member vote to approve it. Additionally, it would be irresponsible to do without adequate insurance, and ours is completely inadequate here. If we use a child care company that provides its own general and professional liability insurance meeting the standards set out in our lease, who will also list PS:One, its officers and directors, and the laundry list of landlord-related entities our lease requires us to include, as "additional insureds", then this becomes an entirely different matter. Then, the babysitting service's insurance, not ours, would be primary for this situation. We also would need to investigate whether the child care company's policy has the common "molestation inclusion" and whether it is issued on a "claims made" basis, both of which would be problematic.'' from [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pumping-station-one/aNmllz1TtQM/wVEK13rtay8J Ryan's post]

:: ''This would need a member vote to approve it. Additionally, it would be irresponsible to do without adequate insurance, and ours is completely inadequate here. If we use a child care company that provides its own general and professional liability insurance meeting the standards set out in our lease, who will also list PS:One, its officers and directors, and the laundry list of landlord-related entities our lease requires us to include, as "additional insureds", then this becomes an entirely different matter. Then, the babysitting service's insurance, not ours, would be primary for this situation. We also would need to investigate whether the child care company's policy has the common "molestation inclusion" and whether it is issued on a "claims made" basis, both of which would be problematic.'' from [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pumping-station-one/aNmllz1TtQM/wVEK13rtay8J Ryan's post]

== No thank you. ==

== No thank you. ==

::There is a constant stream of members moving through the building, working with tools, toxic materials and other dangerous things. This 'hacker flotsam' tends to accumulate - policing any of our available spaces would be a monumental effort, and I don't believe any efforts at making our space friendly for groups of children are sustainable, or even desirable. --[[User:Dbever|Dbever]] ([[User talk:Dbever|talk]]) 09:59, 17 June 2015 (CDT)

::There is a constant stream of members moving through the building, working with tools, toxic materials and other dangerous things. This 'hacker flotsam' tends to accumulate - policing any of our available spaces would be a monumental effort, and I don't believe any efforts at making our space friendly for groups of children are sustainable, or even desirable. --[[User:Dbever|Dbever]] ([[User talk:Dbever|talk]]) 09:59, 17 June 2015 (CDT)

:::If it's the case that we cannot ever be safe for children, then perhaps we should adjust our policies to say so. As it is, we already allow children in the space under parental supervision, and no attempts at child proofing have been made. What we're discussing right now is extending the policy to possibly also allow third parties to supervise children as well, with a strict limit on number of children per responsible adult. In that sense, it's not much different from what we already allow, but here we are making a conscious effort to be more responsible about it. [[User:Justin|Justin]] ([[User talk:Justin|talk]]) 10:35, 17 June 2015 (CDT)

:::If it's the case that we cannot ever be safe for children, then perhaps we should adjust our policies to say so. As it is, we already allow children in the space under parental supervision, and no attempts at child proofing have been made. What we're discussing right now is extending the policy to possibly also allow third parties to supervise children as well, with a strict limit on number of children per responsible adult. In that sense, it's not much different from what we already allow, but here we are making a conscious effort to be more responsible about it. [[User:Justin|Justin]] ([[User talk:Justin|talk]]) 10:35, 17 June 2015 (CDT)

=== General ===

=== General ===