Talk:Vote on 3 Policy Labels

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precedence?

I am curious. Is there any precedent to those policies? In other words, have any other policies ever been enacted by the board with no membership vote? --Lucas (talk) 11:32, 22 April 2015 (CDT)

  • None that I am aware of. The precedent would be for these types of policies to go before the membership and be voted on with an explanation as to why they are needed. --Hef (talk) 09:05, 23 April 2015 (CDT)

Inflamitory Title

The title should be changed to something more neutral, such as Vote on Setting Policies. --Sylphiae (talk) 13:31, 22 April 2015 (CDT)

  • Good call. I probably should have gotten into a more neutral mood before writing the first pass of this proposal. (The title has been changed_ --Hef (talk) 09:05, 23 April 2015 (CDT)

expiry

I like Joel's suggestion about the policies being in effect until member quorum is met rather than the language here about automatic expiry.

  • Agreed. --Glenn 23 April 2015


"expires 3 weeks after being voted on" does not specify that the board of directors voted on it versus membership voting on it. skm

pointless or dangerous

I think this "auto propose a vote" thing is bad.

It does not do anything good for the space. There is no trade this for that for a net gain. There is a cost (the voting process), there is no gain, so the ROI is negative.


(bare with the 2 levels of voting here. We are voting on how to vote, so the word vote doesn't always reference the same thing.)

There is a 2x2 grid of choices made up of (this proposed vote (A)pass, (B)not pass) x (members (1)agree, (2)disagree) A1, A2, B1, B2.

(A) Assume this proposed vote passes and now the members have to vote on all policies voted on and passed by the BoD.

There are two possible outcomes of such votes: pass or not pass. (not meeting quorum just delays the outcome.) 

(1) If the vote passes, nothing changes.  The existing policy is still in affect.  

(2) If the vote does not pass, the policy is no longer in effect.  This leaves PS1 in an undefined state that is probably bad.  In the case of any of the 3 pseudo policies, PS1 no longer has insurance (or something that is essentially that.)

(B) Proposed vote does not pass 

(1) the board did stuff, the members keep hacking.

(2) Someone doesn't like what the board did.  they propose a vote of something different.  The members vote on it.

B2 is really a subset of our current process: Someone wants something that requires a vote and follows the existing procedure.

A1 - voting paperwork A2 - voting paperwork and possibly undesirable

B1 - no paperwork B2 - voting paperwork and probably desirable but maybe undesirable because evil future members.

My Summary: all this really does is force the membership to vote and pass more things. That is annoying work. There will also be debates on what is and isn't a policy that needs to be voted on, not because anyone want's to over turn it, but we want to follow this rule we put in place. I think the chance of the members revoking a policy is basically 0. If that 0 event happens, we currently don't know what state that will leave things in. I suspect there is a good chance it leaves us in a bad state and PS1 just shot itself in the foot.

We currently have the ability to shot ourselves, so passing this vote dose not give anyone any more abilities.

Opinion that pseudo-policies are not valid is incorrect

I object to the statement in the Background section of the vote "It's my opinion that the following three pseudo policies are invalid because they were not voted on by the general membership...." The Bylaws currently state that:

Issues Proper for a Vote of the Directors

The board may decide on issues related to:

  • spending money from the general fund necessary to keep the organization's property in good working order and functioning in fulfillment of the organization's mission,
  • spending money from the general fund on infrastructure improvements costing less than $300,
  • spending money from the general fund to obtain advice and services for the management of the organization or the fulfillment of the organization's mission,
  • spending money from any funds donated for a specified purpose, and
  • to fulfill any obligations to ensure the health of the organization.

In the case of these three policies, the Board decided to enact them to fulfil contractual and legal obligations to ensure the health of the organization. I can understand that someone might think the Board should not have done what they did. I can understand that someone may think the Bylaws should be changed so that the Board no longer has the power to do what it did. But the Bylaws as they exist today do allow for the actions in question. The policies themselves are valid. --Rdpierce (talk) 01:54, 25 April 2015 (CDT)

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