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:::::I think you're still missing my point. Animals were not allowed in the space as soon as we signed the insurance policy. Before the faux board policy was created, PS:1 did not allow animals in the space because we already agreed to an insurance policy that disallowed that. What was missing was that the members were not well informed of this restriction. So all that was really needed was to inform the membership of what we had already agreed to. And again, the insurance company will still not cover us if the "policy" remains unenforced. I'm sure that they really won't care if we have a policy in our made up rules system. They will only care if we were negligent. --[[User:Justin|Justin]] ([[User talk:Justin|talk]]) 12:23, 6 May 2015 (CDT)
:::::I think you're still missing my point. Animals were not allowed in the space as soon as we signed the insurance policy. Before the faux board policy was created, PS:1 did not allow animals in the space because we already agreed to an insurance policy that disallowed that. What was missing was that the members were not well informed of this restriction. So all that was really needed was to inform the membership of what we had already agreed to. And again, the insurance company will still not cover us if the "policy" remains unenforced. I'm sure that they really won't care if we have a policy in our made up rules system. They will only care if we were negligent. --[[User:Justin|Justin]] ([[User talk:Justin|talk]]) 12:23, 6 May 2015 (CDT)
::::::Justin, this isn't factually correct, and this really is splitting hairs. The insurance policy does not disallow animals. Insurance doesn't care if we allow animals or not. But if someone gets bit, they won't pay anyone a dime. Therefore it would be phenomenally stupid to allow animals (other than service animals, which by law we cannot exclude) at the space. Now the Board doesn't have the power to write policies on its own to correct phenomenal stupidity. But our lease requires us to carry insurance, that is an obligation, and allowing animals knowing full well we don't have insurance that covers animal bites would be a breach of that obligation. The Bylaws allow the Board to decide on issues pertaining to obligations. So the Board enacted the policy.
::::::I have found nothing in our membership agreement or any policy that prevents the membership from doing anything excluded by insurance. Yes it's a breach or our lease, but breaching a contract isn't illegal. Therefore, prior to the Board enacting that policy, animals '''were''' allowed at the space. Plenty of people did bring dogs to the space. No action was taken against these people.
::::::You are correct that the insurance company won't cover us if we do not enforce the policy. Therefore, we must enforce it. We notified the membership, and we definitely need proper signs on the entrances. If we do enforce it, then there should be zero animals at the space, and zero risk of a bite. And in the very unlikely circumstance someone does bring an animal into the space in spite of the policy, and it bites someone before the person can be asked to leave, then at least we can say we did everything reasonable within our power to prevent it from happening, and that we were not negligent. If we have no such policy and freely let animals into the space, we can no longer make that claim. --[[User:Rdpierce|Rdpierce]] ([[User talk:Rdpierce|talk]]) 20:32, 6 May 2015 (CDT)
(B) Proposed vote does not pass
(B) Proposed vote does not pass
