Talk:Kitchen Buildout Costs Vote

Proposal text here: http://wiki.pumpingstationone.org/Kitchen_Buildout_Costs_Vote

Will the city shut us down for building a kitchen not up to code?

we actually have some leniency with requirements. We've asked a few experts about this and our plan is moving forward based on that advice. Plumbing is not a big deal and we'll pay for it when needed. Electrical requires a permit, but most of the work we're doing will be fine as long as we meet and/or exceed the code. (d3fdfish)

Will the land lord shut us down for building a kitchen?

The landlord won't shut us down- he gave us permission to basically do anything we want and he is being made aware of this. (d34fish)

How are we handling cleanliness?

This proposal addresses creating a space for the kitchen. This should help keep shop grime out of the kitchen area facilitating cleanliness. As with any area of the space users will be responsible for policing their messes --Tucker

What happens to other groups needing a slop sink?

We already have a concrete sink being donated for this purpose from Carl. (d34fish)

Where is beerchurch going to go when their space gets replaced with cabinets and a such?

Beerchurch will stay where it is. One of the reasons there aren't specific cabinets in the wall plan is to allow the brewing and kitchen users to fill in as they need. --Tucker

Is a kitchen neccesary?

Most members will already have a kitchen, but not a machine shop, weld shop, wood shop etc.

• Some members have garages, but still use the tools in the space.
• Some people just want to hang out and bake cookies. Others might want to make extracts for brewing. Others might want to teach a cooking class. (Colin)

The plumbing is in a concrete wall, How expensive is that to deal with?

• Plumbing is not covered in this budget proposal.
• The plumbing is one of the next stages and will be considerabley more expensive
• Some plumbing is exposed outside of the wall

What about the ceiling?

• A ceiling is not part of this proposal.
• A ceiling of some type can be installed, it won't be drywall and will probably be either be a drop ceiling or an extension of the catwalk.

Budget breakdown

Does the budget include/how does the budget include the following

• number and installation of outlets
  • The cost of running outlets on the new wall is maybe $150 if there isn't drywall in place. --Tucker
  • The budget does not include outlets, just walls --Hef

Is a kitchen going to cost more than this budget proposal

Yes. This proposal only covers walls, not electrical, plumbing, or a ceiling. --Hef

Yes, it will cost thousands when done. Eric wanted walls first, so I gave him a plan for walls. (d34fish)

What is the Bill of Materials?

Exactly what is being purchased?

Are the current plans substancial enough to make the kitchen a functional learning kitchen?

All this proposal does is put up partitions. The actual bread and butter of rehabbing a kitchen isn't even on the table yet. (Hailey)

Is this project really going to achieve the goal of a vaguely sanitary kitchen?

• Based on what d34fish has stated, we have little hope of ever getting a legal ceiling. We have a catwalk above the kitchen, which is a source of dust and contamination. The plastic sheeting in place now is, potentially, a fire hazard and may not be sustainable. Therefore, is it worth several thousand dollars to have a kitchen that has walls without a ceiling? Is this substantially better than what we have now, and enough so to justify the cost? --Ryan

• Tucker says a reasonable ceiling is possible. --Hef

Could we put the kitchen in the lounge instead?

• Drainage would be prohibitively expensive
• There is no good way to do ventilation

Will there be enough lighting in a closed off kitchen?

I don't remember lights in the budget.

Ventilation

Do the walls themselves (without a ceiling) cause a ventilation issue?

Wall height

How high are the walls going to be?

• Eric said 8 or 10 feet high. I think 10 foot walls would look best.

Plumbing

Shouldn't we do the plumbing first before we have to knock out drywall to run a pipe?

• Apparently they want to attach the shop sink to one of the sides of the kitchen walls. The pipe can be run from outside of the kitchen. Eric does not feel that punching a hole in the drywall is much of a concern. He also says the door will be large enough to bring in anything the kitchen will need.